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I don’t have any particular insight into the newsletter issue, having been in high school and college at the time, but I’ll share a few thoughts in light of all the requests I’ve been getting.


Jamie Kirchick wonders why libertarians “don’t care” about the newsletters. I don’t think it’s right to say they don’t care. Their view is that the offending sentences, of which there are far fewer than critics are intimating, sound absolutely nothing like Ron Paul (can anyone seriously dispute that?), and they are convinced, with good reason, that the kindly man they see in the debates, in interviews and in person is who he really is.


They also believe that our political class is full of people — we may justly call them sociopaths — whose words may always be exquisitely correct, never once straying from proper p.c. decorum, but who think absolutely nothing of (say) bombing foreign populations on the most ludicrous and transparent grounds. Our society banishes those who make insensitive remarks, but considers our knee-jerk bombardiers to be people with a legitimate point of view, and certainly as having done nothing that might end a person’s career.


To call this a skewed moral calculus is about the least one might say about it.


Lots of pretty blunt things were said in the wake of the L.A. riots, an event most of Ron Paul’s young supporters won’t even remember. Plenty of conservatives said the riots had their origins in the welfare-state mentality, and a Ron Paul newsletter was scarcely the only outlet not saying super-delicate p.c. things about marauders who pulled people out of their cars and killed them.


Certainly this exchange in the newsletters was outside the normal bounds of polite discourse:


Robin: I was going to bring you a VCR, but the stores had none.


Johnny: A little low, are they?


Robin: Somebody, I guess, had done a little “political shopping.” [Suddenly imitating an angry black man] “Yo, man, this [giving the clenched-fist Black Power salute] is for Rodney King … and the five TVs are for me.”

Wait a second, that’s not from the newsletters at all — that’s from Robin Williams’ appearance on Johnny Carson’s final episode of the Tonight Show.


Our country’s political class is full of people who believed it morally acceptable, after 1991, to deprive the Iraqi population of baby food, blood-analysis equipment for children’s hospitals, heaters, syringes, ambulance equipment, insecticide, children’s clothes, school notebooks, bicycles, etc. (I’ll leave aside the so-called conservatives who for some reason think it must be “liberal” to find something wrong with this.)


Now the people responsible for so inhumane and indefensible a policy will utter every p.c. platitude in the world. Every word will be exquisitely proper. Our society thus considers them to be citizens in good standing.


This is what Ron Paul supporters, who are standing by him, are responding to. Insensitive remarks, which not even his worst critic thinks he actually wrote, can scarcely be morally worse than policies like these, which enjoy the active support of practically the entire spectrum of the USSA political class.


Moreover, they see in Ron Paul someone who is utterly unlike that political class.


Time magazine’s Joe Klein, who’s been following Ron Paul in Iowa, just noted what an astonishing thing he has been witnessing: the frontrunner in Iowa isn’t focusing in his speeches on the issues that handlers would tell him to focus on. He’s not sticking to the red-meat issues that would please the GOP base. He’s talking about foreign policy, civil liberties, and other things on which the modern GOP considers him anathema.


This has essentially never been seen before, and will likely never be seen again — an honest man standing up to a morally corrupt establishment, saying things no one in either wing of that establishment would dream of saying. Yes, all the establishment’s men will assure us of their profound commitment to the brotherhood of man, and every p.c. platitude ever uttered will pour forth from their lips. Ron Paul supporters are trying to persuade their countrymen that we ought to insist on a teensy bit more than this.


For more on this issue, see the following links:


Justin Raimondo on the newsletters (read first)

Ron Paul newsletters FAQ

Follow-up by Raimondo


Some people have also recommended these short videos:



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Re: The Racist Ron Paul Newsletters...

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Post by kaptainsteve on Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:53 am

You DON’T have Ron Paul saying this or that, you have “Ron Paul’s campaign staff talking DIRECTLY about the newsletters contents and explaining what RON PAUL meant by them when HE WROTE THEM as far back as 1995.”

@BFH, this is more of the same, apart from those newletters (and Ron Paul disavows them) you don’t have any other examples of DIRECT quotes of COMING OUT OF RON PAUL’S MOUTH! You have an anomaly, and exception, not a pattern!

“If you go off on some wild ass tangent I am going to start deleting your comments because you would be nothing but a spammer.” “IS THAT A THREAT?”

I stay right on message. You just don’t like what I say, so you threaten. You constantly and continually post anti -Ron Paul posts that are based on the SAME OLD NEWSLETTERS. Then you come up with “new” unique quotes but they are simply quotes from other articles that quote the original newsletters. There is nothing new here yet it is presented as unique.

My CONSISTENT AND ON TOPIC message is this; COME UP WITH ANY OTHER PROOF OF RACIST WORDS, OR ANYTHING EVEN RESEMBLING IT, COMING FROM RON PAUL’S (not his NEWSLETTERS, or spokesmen, or quotes of quotes from the newsletters or somebody else) MOUTH!!!???

You have ONE example of racist quotes (that Ron Paul disavows). YOU DO NOT HAVE A PATTERN. Ron Paul’s message for DECADES has been clear, yet you keep trying to slander this message by associating him with an anomaly. ONE anomaly. There is NO PATTERN HERE and it’s your job to prove it because it’s YOUR claim Ron Paul’s the racist.

The Republicans offer no other candidate that has a serious small government position,and we are talking about RON PAUL of the REPUBLICAN PARTY (I must make sure this is not a “wild ass tangent” for risk of censure) is running for their nomination. The other major candidates, like Newt Romney, seems to be just more of the same BIG government types. In other words, if you want small government, and more freedom, Ron Paul is the man.


@BFH,

This is off message on a wild ass tangent so delete it if you want…

I’ve always love this site, and even linked to on my own. I’ve always enjoyed your posts and your rough brand of political humor. But to be honest, I don’t understand you hatred of Paul.

I thought you were a small/limited government type and Ron Paul is right up that alley. I think you are wrong to brand Ron Paul a nut-job or a racist on the basis of these newsletters alone because it is just one bit of circumstantial evidence and it doesn’t fit any pattern known or attributed to Ron Paul.

I can’t help but wonder what the agenda is here?
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Post by kaptainsteve on Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:02 am

I find it it not only hilarious , but also very reveling when the supposed party of limited government goes balls to the wall in their slandering of Ron Paul utilizing the very tactics they accuse the Dem-O-rats of employing..race bating bitchez of a feather….

Vox nails its..

http://voxday.blogspot.com/
We are learning a lot here as a result of the various reactions to the Paul campaign, whether it is the willingness of Republicans to play the race card about which they so often complain, the remarkable extent to which Newt Gingrich is big government moderate rather than the conservative flamethrower he feigned to be in 1994, and the way in which many Republicans who pretend to revere the Constitution do not, in fact, harbor any real respect for it at all.

In short, Ron Paul has successfully opened the eyes of millions of Americans to the corruption and anti-conservate, anti-constitutional ideology of the Republican Party. This is the first step in helping them understand that the Republicans and Democrats are merely two barely distinguishable factions in the one party that has ruled America for over a century.

The "discredited" campaign
The New York Times unintentionally recognizes the legitimacy of Ron Paul's presidential campaign:
Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate racist remarks that were published under his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
I find it extremely encouraging that both the Democratic and Republican establishments are training their biggest guns on Ron Paul while simultaneously attempting to play down the results of the Iowa caucuses. They never would have bothered to do so if Paul's message was not resonating with Americans across the political and ideological divides. We are learning a lot here as a result of the various reactions to the Paul campaign, whether it is the willingness of Republicans to play the race card about which they so often complain, the remarkable extent to which Newt Gingrich is big government moderate rather than the conservative flamethrower he feigned to be in 1994, and the way in which many Republicans who pretend to revere the Constitution do not, in fact, harbor any real respect for it at all.

In short, Ron Paul has successfully opened the eyes of millions of Americans to the corruption and anti-conservate, anti-constitutional ideology of the Republican Party. This is the first step in helping them understand that the Republicans and Democrats are merely two barely distinguishable factions in the one party that has ruled America for over a century.

It is also interesting to note the Communist-style ideological lockstep demanded by Republicans. In the same way that some readers here cannot understand that I permit commenters here to post comments they find offensive without that permission indicating my position on the matter - even though they know I disgree with, but permit, their own comments - the demands that Paul denounce any of his supporters reveals a fundamentally totalitarian mindset of the sort that has pervaded the conservative media since William F. Buckley was seduced by the Wilsonian neocons.

One thing I found particularly informative in this regard was John Hinderaker's endorsement of Mitt Romney. I've known that the former Hindrocket of the Northern Alliance Radio Show was an ideologically squishy political creature since appearing on that show, and his endorsement of Mitt Romney is the full flowering of what has historically been known as "growth".
The “anybody but Romney” mentality that grips many Republicans is, in my view, illogical. It led them to embrace Rick Perry, who turned out to be unable to articulate a conservative thought; Newt Gingrich, whose record is far more checkered than Romney’s; Ron Paul, whose foreign policy views–indistinguishable from those of the far left–and forays into racial intolerance make him unfit to be president; and Michele Bachmann, whom I like very much, but who is more qualified to be a rabble-rouser than a chief executive.
It is deeply amusing indeed to see Hindrocket assert that Paul's foreign policy views are "indistinguishable from those of the far left" on the very day that the New York Times is publishing an editorial that could easily bear his byline, given the remarkably similar language; for example, Hinderaker says Paul is "unfit" versus the NTY's "discredited". And Hinderaker's statement about Paul's foreign policy is astonishingly deceitful, as far left foreign policy is not the least bit isolationist, but is the exact same world revolution approach that is presently favored by Hinderaker and the Republican establishment, only its focus is world socialist revolution rather than world democratic revolution.

And Hinderaker is as wrong about Romney's ability to beat Obama as all the usual suspects in the conservative media were wrong about McCain's ability to win in 2008. John Hawkins list seven reasons why Romney's supposed electability is a myth. I'll add another reason: after the way he is being treated by the Republican Party establishment and the way the Tea Party-elected House Republicans have proven themselves to be the same fiscally irresponsible rollover Republicans their historical predecessors were, Ron Paul has absolutely no reason not to run in the general election as a third party candidate, ideally as the endorsed candidate of the Constitution and Libertarian Parties.

I very much hope he will do so. As the Bush family has taught us, better an openly declared enemy in power than a false and fraudulent "friend".


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Post by kaptainsteve on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:37 am

We install military presences throughout the world. 900 bases in foreign countries. We fly drones in and out, drop bombs on terrorists in their countries as well as innocent bystanders. We put our noses everywhere. We are buttinskis. We install puppet dictators, remove leaders, “train” troops, the list is endless.

Every time we interfere, we have taken a side that will piss the other side off. We were Bin Laden’s buddy, even trained him, then he is our enemy or we are his enemy.

My point is, maybe we should try pulling it in a little bit and maybe it wouldn’t get snagged in the zipper so much.

I’m all for a strong military, but a strong military IN NORTH AMERICA. No more aid. Again, you give aid to one side, you piss off the other. We need to stop picking winners and losers overseas. Let them sort it out. Let them police themselves and save our money and our lives.

We can’t right our financial ship and save our country if we don’t pull it in. The more we interfere overseas, the more we interfere at home too. We don’t allow freedom overseas and yet we are surprised when we bring the same policies home.

Look at the Patriot act abuses, the TSA perverts, the ATF attrocities (Waco, Weaver, Fast & Furious), the border agents and check points 70 miles inland in White River Junction VT, and the roving checkpoints Tennessee highways, etc… Now they are hassling us here at home! There’s no end to this nightmare. We start doing this stuff to foreigners, then before you know it, it’s done here.

This is my point. There is no end to the complication of our failed policies and I believe it just makes things worse and in the end, we end up losing OUR freedoms as a result.

P.S. (I’m going off on a tangent – WARNING!) Even if Ron Paul did those terrible things he’s been accused of, he is not perfect. We are not perfect. It’s his policies that attract his supporters to him. MLK had his personal faults, yet his message was a good one. I understand you don’t agree with the foreign policy side of things, and that is one issue. But, some of us don’t believe he is a racist, and if he did those things in the past, we can give him a pass because his policies make a lot of sense to us.






Why not let the Israelis handle their own concerns? Why not let other countries handle their own concerns?

Why does America have to stick it's nose in everyone's business?

Why do "conservatives" here at IOTW insist this insanity continues even though we are borrowing 40 cents per dollar from China to do it?

Why not just cut out the middle-man (ourselves) and let China pay for all this?

Isn't this debt a bigger danger to our security?

Isn't this debt a danger to our children?

Why don't we just mind our business?


Cut from USSA restrictions, Israel probably would have settled this whole issue by now.

Why not leave Israel alone, let them handle it their way?

The answer? IF WE SAY THIS WE ARE RACISTS AND ANTI-SEMITES!

You guys are just as bad as everyone else who pulls out the race card at the drop of a hat.

RACISM!

The magic word. The word of scoundrels and last resort. It's found a new home here now that Ron Paul's threatening.

Meanwhile IOTW regularly publishes racists articles and picture like Michelle Obama looking like a monkey. Remember this classic?

http://www.popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/michelle-obama-ape.jpg

This racism is ok though...

BUT RON PAUL'S A RACIST because he believes Israel, and every other country, handle their own affairs and pay for their own defense.

HYPOCRITES.



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Post by kaptainsteve on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:39 am


Rep. Ron Paul's presidential campaign has run into trubble recently after national media refocused on decades-old racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and deeply conspiratorial articles published under Paul's name (and at least occasionally under his signature) in late 1980s and early 1990s newsletters.

The Texas congressman, who defended the newsletters when they first became a political issue in 1996, has since disavowed their contents repeatedly. But in a 1998 John Birch Society film unearthed by Andy Kaczynski, Paul endorsed some of the more paranoid ideas outlined in the Ron Paul Survival Report—including the the idea that a United Nations dictatorship was imminent:




As a narrator scarily intones that American churches will be forcibly shuttered under UN rule, Paul urges viewers to stay informed. "If the United Nations has their way, there will be curtailment of our right to practice our religion," he says. "They are not going to be believers in the right to practice our religion as we have seen fit throughout this country. And therefore individuals who are interested in this subject certainly cannot be complacent about what the United Nations is doing."

The scene is preceded by an image of of a building that's been converted into a "United World Temple" emblazoned with UN flags, and immediately followed by images of soldiers and guerillas fighting in the streets.

This is exactly what you'd expect from the John Birch Society, an organization that has spent four decades urging the United States to leave the United Nations. It's not what you'd expect from a serious Republican presidential candidate. It's not even the kind of language you tend to hear from Paul on the campaign trail, where he's more likely to talk about raw milk than the New World Order. And that's been Paul's best defense; the newsletters just don't sound like anything he's ever said.

That's partially true, but in the last few days, we've seen a clip (from 1990) of Paul embracing the idea that the Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations are secretly running the country, and now this. Josh Marshall reminds us, meanwhile, that back in September, Paul said that the border fence might actually be used to keep Americans penned in. Setting the racist articles aside, Paul really did endorse some of the more out-there arguments in his newsletters.



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